france intensifies its assault on the hideouts of islamic militants border with algeria as locals in the liberated cities claim the campaign has come at a high cost to civilians. the most comprehensive claims yet of illegal rendition and torture in secret cia prisons around the world emerged in a report released by a top american ngo. had iranian president flies into egypt for the first time in more than three decades and a visit seen as an attempt to improve ties between the two regional heavyweights since islamists came to power that.

live from our new center here in moscow this is r.t. with you twenty four hours a day french military forces have stepped up their offensive on rebel bases in northern mali with troops moving into the city of the last bastion of islamist insurgents around one thousand nine hundred soldiers from chad a also joint operation meanwhile two senior islamic leaders have been captured fleeing airstrikes on the border with algeria reports now from the country. euler see that is their money because they know what i'm going to look at today in this town and everyone is celebrating the capture of two important islamic leaders one of them is mohammed the head of the demon a group which retired will continue to for months particularly violating the rights of women he was captured along with the leader of the movement for unity and jihad in west africa say he was taken north of keep close to the border with algeria the capture of these two leaders demonstrates what everyone knows the city of go into

book to buy havens of security in a dangerous wilderness we were ourselves detained by the mali an army when trying to get to the city of any movement towards the north has been strictly forbidden since last weekend when six million soldiers were killed by explosives planted by rebels on the roads leading there was this risk affects the stability of the country distances in mali are so big that it is next to impossible to travel safely on the roads so now the region lacks food medicine and fuel specifically in this part of the region and in most there are about seven thousand refugees children suffer the most coming unless medication is brought in the centers treating malnutrition like the one we saw in mopti i would face tragedy becoming. a likely. tracing malnutrition is a necessity in today's critical situation negligence was the cause of malnutrition before but now and then this crisis most children are suffering does unless it

happens in every home where children don't get enough care and could die. as the alternative syrians are being tried to deliver supplies to to book to the in the share and spread them to the north from there we also saw many people come to donate blood so desperately needed in hospitals a christian community in the central region of mali has been collecting supplies palace for. the war has taken on a religious meaning and when that happens the first. they're hunting us those who are directly linked with religion. despite the fact the war is moving away the situation remains critical to a country filled with refugees and. the health and food crisis is putting eighty million people at risk of malnutrition is there pressure on us but what is what am i going to hear gonzalo launcher. for r.t. meanwhile mounting reports from cities that have been liberated suggests that freedom has come at a cost of french airstrikes have reportedly resulted in

a number of civilian casualties getting the research from the international he's just returned from the water on country he says the campaign raises many concerns. but we were able to to register was that to use human rights violations including a traditional killing so we collected testimonies from a large variety of people who told us how. some people were arrested in the town of severity and then brought in front of where they were treated and then froning to the well later we had also stories about people who had been arrested and some of them disappeared and regarding the care of these of the civilians who were killed in the town of qana what we are asking is both the french and the million armies is not they should or should be

a commission of inquiry just to to know the circumstances of the death of the five people who were killed including the children because these people need liberation there should be kind of warnings given to the civilian population so that they could they could leave the war zones to to seek shelter elsewhere some of the groups are believing some of the towns in mali and they may be seeking refuge in the days i mean we had been writing about the hostage taking of our kind of of some thirty trees beginning taken into a stage and a concern also what we are concerned about is that there may be a prisoner tax agreement of civilians who may be accused of collaborating with the armed groups so we are concerned about that. the first allegations of emerge of

secret cia prisons around the world and violations that have allegedly been taking place there the new york based n.g.o.s funded by one of america's richest men george soros has unveiled a report which claims to detail the operation of these so-called black sites he's going to come on as the details this is a very comprehensive report prepared by the open society foundations not only do they detail torture techniques that were used at cia secret prisons overseas to so-called black sites but also give a list of countries that one way or another participated in cia secret detention and extraordinary rendition operations including by hosting cia prisons on their territories detaining interrogating torturing going to be using it if he drawls assisting in a tour in the capture and transport of detainees and so on so the list includes countries like afghanistan all australia canada denmark djibouti age of georgia germany syria turkey italy the united arab

emirates. united the united kingdom yemen and other countries while president bush acknowledged that the cia had secretly detained about one hundred prisoners and this report alleges that there were more the u.s. government had only identified sixteen high value detainees italy is the only country where record criminally convicted officials for the involvement in extraordinary rendition operations canada is the only country to issue an apology to an extraordinary rendition victim i'm on here are are with the who was rendered to and tortured in syria and only three countries in addition to canada swayed in australia and the united kingdom have issued compensation to extraordinary rendition victims and this report is rife with human rights abuses and it's clear that high ranking bush administration officials beer with. rights violations and yet no one was prosecuted because the u.s.

government has. classified everything related to its torture practices and any accusation would be dismissed on state secrets grounds. now let's get some reaction from journalist and historian douglas found in time he's joining me live now from the u.s. you've got a lot of research on secret cia prisons what have you been able to uncover and what evidence or your findings based on well certainly just begin by saying that. the fact that the cia is working i view us through cia organized on. matters just a global terrorist network. is a is a war crime of epic proportions but even more disturbing is. the complicity of so many politicians and secret services in foreign countries sends a clear signal. through the simply exist sends

a clear signal that the. united states that it is something virtual taters. capable and willing to punish. other people for things that it's quite willing to do itself and. not just to groups. that we screen also you say a war crime taking place here well now that all these allegations to be made public what's going to take to press charges and bring anyone to account if they are indeed deemed as illegal the same sort of thing that happened during the vietnam war you have to understand. the cia doesn't do these things as a sort of rogue elephant as the. it's what the laws by the us congress by certain very important congress people who believe that they are reflecting the will of the american people in the wake of nine eleven there was

a huge outcry in america. for vengeance for the united states to prove for the government to prove that it was more terrible than the people who launched the nine eleven attack and so. congress believing that like the will of the american people authorized the cia to do this so the only thing that will stop it is not any international court it's simply the will of the american people doing what it did for example during. the during the vietnam war when it happened off of. the government millions of the enemies of peace and just rose up and oppose the government that they thought that there are many will who will argue surely and you mentioned nine eleven shortly that detention interrogation of terror suspects has been a necessary precaution since then on the so-called war on terror has not made the world a safer place with these detention centers. you know that's debatable the thing

that's. a problem is that. since nine eleven the government has been able to maintain this out of. the attitude that you just sort of expressing that that it's required for security to commit crimes. this is never been. necessary before it what it exhibited is one it illustrates that the government has . since nine eleven more capable propagandizing the american people by exaggerating the threats that exist in order to perpetuate which probably is a state of emergency that really doesn't exist in which the government's able to portray the united states the greatest military power that ever existed on the planet earth that somehow a victim or. the person that is being bullied. the truth is exactly the opposite but of course some may say that the state of emergency does

exist well those he's been killed haven't you stop al qaeda radical islamists that now on the rise across the muslim world with those circumstances isn't america's so-called war on terror it's still justified in going to go on on and. absolutely not because the war on terror itself is. overstatement vast overstatement of the dangers that exist it's been proven. that we simply created more enemies in iraq we've created more enemies the war on terror is a war and war killing torturing and detaining people is not a way to bring. resolve problems the way to resolve problems is through people trying to understand each other through reach accommodations to do things diplomatically. the situation that exists right now is that the united states does the military over him that it's not willing to give that up. by having the military

upper hand the kind of force this will all role the world. simply a simple pretext for doing douglas will leave that really interesting to hear your thoughts on this life in the u.s. author and historian douglas found in time thank you for being with us here on your . well coming up in the program a little later this hour the battle of negative press agents it is deflecting a wave of eastern european immigrants with. just one a be better off staying at home that's after the break. technology innovation all these developments from around. the future.

the. news continues here on r.t. the iranian president. on his first visit to egypt to more than thirty years he's

attending a muslim summit and is discussing security issues with the country's leader mohamed morsy iran also wants car on board with such issues as syria and its program. told me earlier that iran needs all the friends it can get. brown strongest ally in the arab world has now been serious serious been a bright lot of iran or this is the reason why the pro israel lobby why the americans why the saudis etc so keen to talk a sad now there's no such moment the syrian government is about what we're it for iran would be even more isolated than it is today and the you're in a very dangerous position so that's what makes sense for iran trying to build bridges with cairo are there financial motives behind this meeting where we've got to believe that economies are bearing in mind the situation there in iran with all those sanctions appearing to have a quite an impact on the iranian economy do you do they both need each other i think they do and i think from morsi point of view i think as we see hearty people are going to rest in egypt but people are very unhappy with how things are going

legacy and carry on a look at it and ship people are on iraq would be one way that she can say to these people look i'm not just a us puppet i'm going to be different here so i think of his point and he could get popularity at home by taking a more conciliatory line toward iraq from the romney point of view course they've been pretty good at house i mean the pro israel lobby has been very successful in getting the u.s. and other countries to pass tougher and tougher sanctions on iran he really can use a really bad state so iran needs all the friends he can get there's no reason for iran should be isolated there's no proof it's developing nuclear weapons it's got a peaceful nuclear energy program which there's no evidence contrary so therefore it's it's wrong but it should be totally isolated the gulf kingdoms of bahrain in kuwait are seeing fresh public health cries against the countries unelected rulers who have been stepping up their crackdowns on dissent for the last two years calls for more rights and democracy are increasingly met with the rest some brutal force as the conservative monex refuse to concede while the west is accuse of turning

a blind eye to violations by its key arab and eyes as reports. yes you. see. my life in the gulf used to look like this. but the black gold hidden beneath the sands transformed the arabian states from inhospitable deserts came storing structures of glass and steel physical testaments to their wealth and power in a wider region known for its tinderbox tensions the gulf monarchies have stood out for their relative stability and for an oil dependent west eager for a military stronghold to counter iran the gulf became a strategic away says petro dollars have helped to insulate the gulf against economic hardships plaguing other states but not against popular uprisings now the gulf monarchies as a whole have been struggling to stave off the effects of the arab spring with varying degrees of success kuwait is largely seen as the most tolerant of the gulf

countries but the worry is that the trend could be reversed activists say that it already has been political gatherings of more than twenty people are banned as are political parties and when the last opposition dominated parliament challenge the ruling authorities it was dismissed voting rules were changed to ensure critics say a more compliant parliament speaking out against the system has landed many activists in jail as for those who took to the streets to protest we were beaten up by. the special forces. and the sound bombs and but on and after the model whoever is on the streets isn't just being detained and thrown into jail it's a struggle activists in bahrain are all too familiar with. three days after egypt's former president was ousted from power the protests began in both reign like the kuwaitis they were demanding an end to the monarchy but more representation at a violent crackdown saw a shift in some of those demands because the new law to stop it is at the different

it is against the regime against the. because i didn't state that the situation. one thousand five hundred prison others we have. every day with the local. security forces some rounding gate is attacking the people like that the houses as in other gulf states the monarchy blames the unrest on a radical minority they are hardliners they want to see regime change they want to implement their own style of government and impose on the rest of the population. a system of government that is totally unacceptable these demands called for a. minster style democracy captain hill style democracy in. but critics disagree saying the protestors simply want their governments to listen

i want to comes to violent crackdowns he says westminster and capitol hill simply turn a blind eye we are the victims because we live in a country which have the us and the united. they don't get aboard the people they don't care about the humanity they don't care about the bahraini blood they care about. whether in bahrain saudi arabia qatar oman or kuwait seems like this one are becoming increasingly more common but nasa shows it always like this one show that the gulf oil wealth alone isn't enough to insulate the countries from people taking to the streets and demanding a greater say in their political system and unless the monarchies show themselves willing to listen their stability may prove to be a mirage you see caffein of r.t. kuwait. and remember you can always stay updated with all the latest news by heading to our website www dot com now here's some of the stories that we have there for you right now people of australia a want to say stay clear of canisters containing high toxic chemicals that are

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a negative advertisement campaign about the country to make it less appealing to potential movie. reports. we show many things going for our country the english language testing times brilliant history very creative people some of the best universities in the world a great place to do business we need to stand up and shout about how great britain is and get people to come and invest and visit but that's not the message for everyone the u.k. government is reportedly brainstorming ways to dissuade eastern european immigrants from coming to britain come january twenty fourth teen twenty nine million romanians and bulgarians will be able to live and work anywhere in europe including the u.k. one idea being considered a negative advertising campaign about broken britain while the government considers that some creative brits have been all too happy to expose their nation's flaws for

all to see as you can imagine not all the romanians living in the u.k. are cleaning the toilets some of them are highly qualified they've done their studies there so they find this very aggressive and under society campaigning as one minister put it a negative ad campaign would help to correct the impression that these streets are paved with gold but even considering how to put off would be migrants the british government has managed to offend not one but two whole countries and now one rumania newspaper has decided that rather than getting mad it's going to get even instead. the romanian spoof campaign says that since it's so tough in the u.k. brits should come to remain in danger by the british people to come to romania are going there here half of our women look like aids and the other half like her sister so this is a funny campaign what if you can see behind it there's actually

a serious message which is that romania had still valuable resources intelligence and humor and britons to take advantage of the next wave of. immigrants instead of marking them but the debate over immigration in the u.k. is growing more hostile some ministers have suggested limiting remaining in symbolic ariens access to health services and housing when they arrive they think it will look good or masters a country to do something much about but i can see where where the snow is coming from are having a lot of people coming over here and looking for work and benefits and housing but i just sit with me really to do something right now immigration is always something you want to be careful when talking about offing is a bit silly to be honest because we're living in the union europe which is open for every every kind sure which is you know in the union with the financial crisis gives us britain isn't as attractive as it was to migrants

a decade ago english somehow managing that everybody in the world wants to come to england because in the new jobs in the most finest greatest country. in which people it is that they seem to forget that in the case of remaining friends and remain as a beautiful country loving warm exciting country to live in today when they produce these statistics about thirty million remain and one of the emerging everybody is going to leave and then the last one is to light isn't going to be a single person left and then it really is nonsensical whether or not the anti britain campaign will ever make it to a billboard near to full rest is now beside the point the british government has already made take these newest members feel that a little bit less welcome here. artsy london. the u.s. and south korea of flexing their military muscles in the east china sea that self to north korea's recent threat to conduct

a nuclear test seoul said the drills are part of regular military training while pyongyang claims it's a plot to attack it human rights lawyer and co-founder of the national campaign to end the korean war eric says washington's only pouring fuel into the phone it's the worst thing you can do under these circumstances is to inflame volatile situation to conduct these military exercises that always inflame that use live ammunition on the border with north korea this is inflammatory on a lot of levels and we need to step back these naval exercises it's like a race to the bottom if you will when are we going to get more creative in the way that we resolve conflict in this world this conflict gives us such an opportunity with a new secretary of state new leader in south korea we should be pushing for peace suspend these naval exercises and go from there yes there should be non proliferation of nuclear weapons on the korean peninsula but we don't even

recognize north korea as a nation have a peace treaty or a formal relations to deal with these matters what do we expect. well coming up later this hour reaching out across the atlantic the american vice president joe biden visits london and a top level national security meeting just days after visiting paris and then we'll bring you the details of that story very shortly in the meantime we'll have the business news starts with a short break stay with us i'll take in the. secretary of state hillary clinton recently testified to congress in regards to the attack on the u.s. consulate was killed an american ambassador in benghazi libya during the testimony couldn't rather calmly said things like that the revolutions that sprang up during

the arab spring like in libya where the events in bali have created instability and safe havens for terrorists and she made it clear that there is no doubt that the algerian terrorists had weapons from libya so the us secretary has basically admitted that the actions of the usa and nato have caused mass instability that has allowed the seeds of terrorism to grow when the justification for most of the actions in the muslim world is to stop evil dictators who harbor terrorists or spread chatting to mock recy if libya would have been left alone algerian terrorists wouldn't be getting any weapons from it now this is like an exterminator accidently or maybe on purpose actually feeding the roaches in your basements that there are ten times more of them and then saying that he has to keep working because he's the only one who can get rid of the roaches people like hillary clinton who support funding brutal jihad as rebel groups to overthrow governments to somehow bring about stability and democracy are either dismally stupid or consciously running

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almost thirty minutes past the hour you're watching business r.t. welcome to the program u.s. credit rating ratings agency standard and poor's is used to slopping companies with scores that have the power to either make that will break them but now it seems like the agency itself is under the spotlight it's being blamed for the worst financial collapse of the great depression yes the two thousand and eight financial crisis the u.s. justice department is accusing it of being so we responsible for the onset of the crisis that have kidney pull being here to give me all the details so katie what exactly is the essence of the accusations because these are you know pretty major statements but you know responsible for the two thousand and eight financial crisis absolutely and it's the first one of its kind the accusation has been brought to as a credit rating agency because of the crisis that's why it's in the spotlight this week so it's the justice department assuming s. and p. and they're saying that they knowingly is a valued these mortgage securities and it's knowingly that is the important. not

just apologizing for the ratings being wrong which they have apologized for they've said they deeply regret that bought the knowingly while that is something they've rigorously deny of course and as you say it's a big accusation because they're saying that they're to blame for the two thousand i was in this of ratings that were given out prior to that in two thousand and seven and now being investigated in two and we know the credit ratings we've had the agencies have had loads of chit chats about them over the years since two thousand and eight because of the way to carry the power that they have they've not only been downgrading companies but also banks and software in countries as well the likes of greece strained cyprus i can go on the us in august twentieth eleven fronts didn't make an ounce of difference to the board cause but that's another topic for another day one of the talk about the out to mortgage securities these that are being called into question if i may c.d.o. is. to rise in debt obligations and what they are is they're complex financial transactions that are packaged together given out to individual home buyers and

it's the rating that a little maze then allow investment banks to sell them on to investors and that's where the billions have been lost may all be true but it's been five years since the onset of the crisis and it just seems very the timing of this seems bizarre because. we also have to remember that s. and p. was the only ratings agency or was the first ratings agency i should say that actually slashed the rating of the u.s. economy to its sovereign ratings so is that just an act of revenge a few people have said so i think the u.s. authorities would say no absolute nonsense because this has been in process since two thousand that has been ongoing but because of the details because of the complexities of it all but we've only actually seen it come to the light of day and also say they've rigorously denying it and they do apologize for having put these ratings on those toxic debt. want to mention that they've already lost money

actually four hundred million dollars in total actually trying to do with the quality trying to bolster the quality of their ratings system so they already forked out four hundred million and now they're facing what more liabilities and damages as a result of this well you know you you've only got to look at the stock market so far to see the losses that have already been made if we look at the parent company hill that actually s. and p. has already lost fourteen percent on the stock market that's the most they've lost in twenty five years it just shows you that confidence is dwindling already and that's not the only credit rating rating agency that's taken a hit we've also got moody's as well down over ten percent right but moody's was the one downgrading the u.s. economy was true so it's always equate you know it's been getting a beating by association yeah exactly and also it kind of gives us three and. question that they are predicting that they too may be in the spotlight for the next investigation we don't know yet keep our eye on the show and moving on

britain's space a threat of being broken up into pieces that's after the country's treasury chief george osborne on tuesday said the banks high risk investment arms are actually jeopardizing the safety of their retail operations earlier on tuesday i spoke with sharks and dickie he's a strategist at e.t.s. capital in london he said the initiative was a long time coming. buckley's. basically beefing up its funds for misselling people . generally at the moment right now there's a big lack of confidence around the banking system that kicked off in two thousand and eight when there were no when the banks were girl group an obvious had to go through a bailout and also the collapse of northern rock and that's gone through for not only for the u.k. banking system but for the global banking system so. these measures although they seem like a bit of a preemptive strike by the government. in some way instilling

a return of confidence in the u.k. banking sector at least from a consumer perspective how many banks do you think actually fall into that potential breakup category. i mean in the u.k. we've got. in terms of all all the major banks the list banks in the u.k. have major rito. perhaps the exception would probably be standard chartered which has most of its operations outside of the u.k. in terms of resell. mostly operate within asia and the middle east but the likes of h.s.b.c. rollbacks cotton barclays noids bank they all have major divisions especially rollbacks goldman lloyds and barclays i think those three are going to be the ones in focus h.s.b.c. as it were a large global footprint especially in asia that they may not be under as much pressure as the other three and i think the big question from other people in the market right now is what sort of shape. banking sector we would be in off of these

these measures come in place exactly and that's exactly my next question do you think it's going to back the banks in a negative way as far as making them less competitive on the international market. yeah i think you know i think there's a big concern about that banks have generally been there were at least the u.k. banks and they have been generally de risking the balance sheets over the last two years we've seen the world bank of scotland and barclays. the to do doing it it's a steady job of it member going to continue doing so that they do leveraging and then in better shape than they were a couple years back they have raised a cup it's also on a board perspective we can't escape is in europe the us took a look at a pretty it's it looks like a priest he said ranks but at the same time a breakup of the state don't comply with these these measures would alter the i mean less next ability for these banks it's going to be a bit of i suppose the big key thing for for for for the market right now is this

will mean. no investor confidence which means that they'll find it harder to raise capital they find it hard to raise capital to fund a very difficult to lend to small businesses small businesses will perhaps then look at all the other you other banks in the world that may have more relaxed measures and rules in order to start getting some money out. and it's time now to take a quick look at the markets to see where we stand today in the united states the only place actively trading the sour equities are actually pretty bullish as you can see there a mainly thanks to dell announcing its plans to go private a deal worth more than twenty four billion dollars and of course traders are happy to see quarterly reports that beat estimates over in europe let's roll over there and see what's happening there it's also a pretty bullish picture these stocks they are rebounding after their short losses on monday in fact we saw the biggest daily gain in about four weeks the main player on the currency markets on tuesday was the japanese yen that's after the bank of

japan chief said he plans to step down next month the euro was gaining against the greenback on tuesday here while schoolgirl ruble finished the trading session mixed to the major currencies and when it comes to stocks here in russia here they are they're trading in sympathy with the global bourses and hence the gains you're seeing right here. budget cuts and austerity measures they all seem to make europeans so focused on money they're now scrutinizing the salaries of top e.u. officials in fact the staff of the e.u. council is on strike over how much money some e.u. leaders make were curious to so here it is germany's chancellor angela merkel has a monthly salary of about twenty one thousand euros of which about one thousand euros as her pay as the member of the german parliament president of the commission jose manuel barroso is earning about twenty five thousand euros

a month these figures might not actually seem like anything outrageous but you have to remember that the strike takes place against the backdrop of not just related salary cuts for many. european public servants. russia's billionaire alexander lebedev and his son you've gainey have won the license to operate a new london t.v. station it will be it will base its content on the stories from newspapers the evening standard and the independent the lead of team beat four other applicants for the rights to a twelve year license to broadcast to an estimated four million homes other contenders include a former mayor candidate stephen norris and a former channel more chairman johnson london live as it will be called plans to operate from early twenty fourteen months are going to be about eighteen hours a day focusing mainly on news events and the general interest stories about london

. and that's all the latest from the business team will be back in two hours time so you know. you see a story. you think you understand it and then. you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought. was a big picture. good

luck. was able to build a most sophisticated. mission to teach me. this is why you should care only. there are twelve cities in the united states in which half of the people with hiv aids lives within a year. this is a problem. it was like the big elephant in the room and nobody wanted to talk about there were really good public health campaigns people were really focused on this problem you certainly should be able.

to get consensus to. choose the opinions that you. choose the stories that impact the. speech. here in moscow the news continues now u.s. vice president joe biden joined the british prime minister david cameron for a national security meeting earlier today in downing street was attended by british military chiefs intelligence officials and political leaders the american v.p. arrived in the u.k. on monday following visits to berlin and paris for top level talks wanted to find out more on this with. she is in london right now joe biden said he was delighted

to take part in the british meetings since he spends off his life it's u.s. security gatherings but how come a foreign official was allowed to attend such top level talks. well for the vice president he's known for sometimes putting his foot in his mouth almost being another gaffe but some a very quick to point out when he said that he talked of being delighted to have been invited to that meeting and of having spent half his life in security meetings in the u.s. but people are quick to point out you don't actually have a spoke for you is on the u.s. national security council he can perhaps be forgiven for that possibly he was referring to other security commitments but during his visit to downing street this is what part of what he took part in he was invited to this national security council meeting it was chaired by prime minister david cameron and it's thought that what was on the agenda and talks about there were issues such as syria going

to star in iran and north africa now it's not unheard of the foreign nationals to attend u.k. national security council meetings although certainly it's not common practice now perhaps that's a sign of as jay biden made mention to the special relationship that britain and the u.s. enjoy he spoke of the u.s. and britain as having the most open relationship that they have with any country in the world well that's all well and good but is that a satisfactory relationship that everyone want to talk more about that i'm joined by a member of the u.k. independence party stephen wolf thank you very much joining us sixty even if your relationship let's get into that is it really beneficial day for everyone i'm not sure about chile is i mean it should be we are in anglosphere we are two countries that actually share common values in terms of our legal systems our language the way that we look at business and it should be but over the period of the years that

we've had this special relationship since winston churchill first coined the phrase we've seen lots of arguments between ourselves and those of the united states clearly there was a huge. disagreement from the way that the british public did not want to get involved in afghanistan we also had a disagreement in the way that we did not want to get in vietnam and only recently we've heard president obama suggesting that the british people should not exercise their democratic rights and have a referendum of whether they should be in or outside of the european union so clearly the special relationship is often tested but there's lots of people here don't even believe that relationship is special at all what we think and we talk about a. special relationship we have plenty of name for it but of course there's a very serious point here isn't there that there are these tightly thing ever increasing between the u.s. and britain i think lisa only thought about that the fact that you had the vice

president attending a u.k. national security council meeting yes the many people and there are those who look at this and say this is just another example of the united states controlling the united kingdom's foreign policy and that shouldn't be right we should be an independent nation looking after the interests of our own people on the other hand clearly there are those who say this actually cements the special relationship and by having the united states on our side this was the way that we were able to control so the ungrown dies men of the soviet union wanting to him impose itself on europe i am not actually sure that it is really right that we should have the united states imposing itself and its views on the united kingdom we have a democratic elected prime minister a democratic elected government and they should take the interest it's very nice to have mr biden over here by all means let him visit the queen like obama did by all means let's have some nice dinners with him but actually sharing our special

interests and our special security i don't think that's always in our interest and it doesn't play well to the public in great britain are thinking through the senate the white house needs on a conference call ahead of his visit and you know they're talking about. that very close trade relationship that the u.s. has with the referendum wasn't mentioned by either side during his visit big they did have legitimate interests in the case well in what the does with its foreign policy think there isn't this legitimate thing to comment oh absolutely you know let's not go any differences in terms of investment in the united kingdom sixty percent of all the financial services businesses here in the city or london are actually american and we also have lots of interest in terms of google. over businesses that have placed themselves you know although quite firmly they're being attacked for not paying their taxes and quite rightly so but united states does have interests here and it's quite right that as a trading nation that believes in open markets we should open those markets to them

as well but the question should be not whether we have these trading relationships but how we look at ourselves as a nation going forward do we want to have loose ties or do we want to be seen as simply a buffer for the united states in the way that they trade reviewer i think there's a great swell of opinion at the moment that we're only seeing not as the buffer in the trading friend but really as the opportunity is the daughter open for trade from america into europe and that's where we'll ok talking about the special relationship going back to that because there's a lot of people in the british public at the moment who quite frankly a bit fed up of these three euphemisms our relationship with us our relationship we've got the big date on the extension of the fishing policies going on in the at the moment that's a really big topic i think the british people want a bit of clarity a very exacting what these relationships are it's all well and nice having you know this friendly terminology but when it actually comes to anything with a fishing pole it is not a weight in the u.k.

a british nationals best interest no i think this is where the confusion lies and you've raised a very important point if you knock on the door of people's houses and they're asking themselves about united states about europe they're more concerned concerned . about jobs more concerned about their businesses collapsing and they want leadership from their government they want them to be able to say that it's perfectly ok to go and invest in these countries that they want to know that they can spend their money in shops and so they're relying on them to say this is how we look and deal with our relationships united states this is how we deal with europe there is a huge amount of confusion because. there was a lot of confusion between where the nation should actually fit in this new global market and i think there's a lot of play between the united states realizing that they've got problems in the european union of got problems of how they fit we're being told from one side to the other and i suspect that people are saying with fed up with both of you actually a plague on both your houses we just want to be independent to trade globally

because it's a huge world out there we can get on a plane we can use the internet we can go to almost anybody or trade with anybody in the world is our oyster and we shouldn't be restricted to one of the you to the left or you to go one final question wasn't totally get it five president biden because here's the thing other countries and we heard him a few days ago talking mistaking portugal and poland he got them confused i think there's a lot of criticism that the u.s. sort of yes europe is a one entity rather than separate nation states do you feel that's the case but i do believe that the nixon used to complain that who does he call in europe whenever there was a problem and i suspect that that's what they would really like to see and that's why they encourage cameron to oppose e.u. referendum not to have it so that there is simply one person in brussels that they can pick up the phone over foreign policy over trade overfishing all the rest of it and i think that's what they would really like to see and maybe they want to do because actually they don't actually know all the names of the twenty seven

countries ok thank you very much as he said the vice president visiting the. final stop of that european trip and lots of big discussions continuing throughout the year opinion as he said the extension of the fishing policy ongoing as we speak. sarah ferguson stephen move from the u.k. independence party live from london thanks very much indeed. israel is reportedly intending to create a buffer zone stretching up to seventeen kilometers inside syria the country's military sources insists the area will belong to syria and they're not invading a sovereign state israel also wants to place infantry brigades and a number of tanks there the stated aim of the zone is to prevent mortar and rocket attacks coming from inside the embattled country it's hoped this would also stop radical groups moving closer to israeli territory if assad government is toppled a security fence is now being erected along the frontier with syria in the southern golan heights press international relations expert dr jamal wakim has told me

earlier that he thinks all this is very little to do with security. imposing a buffer zone will make israel in the future. negotiate over withdrawing from this buffer zone rather than withdrawing from the golan heights this is very similar to the attempt of israel in one thousand seventy eight to zero and impose a buffer zone in south lebanon where it was the same claim that it wanted to defend its northern border the objective is to annex more territories and at the same time and at them to threaten the massacres that so if israel expands its domain by another seventeen kilometers this will make it reach close very close to damascus and this is very dangerous to the stability of the regime and will it will give the insurgents like free zone and free base a secure base to launch attacks against the syrian regime so this is

a direct and thank them and of israel. a recap of our top stories and more news is coming your way in just seven minutes from now this is r.t. live in moscow stay with us with the twenty four hours a day. live

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